How do you protect your house/apartment/garage?

"jkm7680" (jkm7680) 03/27/2014 at 16:32 • Filed to: Gunlopnik

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There has recently been a spike in home invasions in my area. That's not a good thing, having a cap in your ass isn't a good thing either.

What do you use to protect your property?

This is all I've got. It kinda works, and then it kinda doesn't.

ddavidn > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:33

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My wife can scream really loudly... so that's what I've got...

djmanila > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:33

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I've always thought about getting a handgun with rubber bullets (crowd stoppers), so I would not hesitate to shoot. I'll make sure the last few rounds are live if necessary.

jkm7680 > ddavidn 03/27/2014 at 16:34

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Hahaha, The lady friend screams like hell if she notices a spider, so there's no telling what she would do if somebody broke in.

HammerheadFistpunch > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:34

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WE had an attempted home invasion in my neighborhood last night. Dude was driving an M6 to boot. I have a gun, but its not in the house and my wife wants it that way.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:35

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This is all I have.

Nibbles > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:36

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I have a break-action single shot .410 that will not fire. It looks intimidating though, makes a loud noise when you lock it and is still a large blunt object with which I could bludgeon someone. Other than that I have a Greyhound that can snap a Kong ball in two with her jaws - imagine what she could do to a body.

jkm7680 > HammerheadFistpunch 03/27/2014 at 16:36

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The guy was driving an M6? That's one rich guy, Haha.

My Gf doesn't know where I keep this one. I keep my hunting rifle in my Shed.

ddavidn > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:36

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Precisely. I also have Maglites in 2D and 3D sizes. So I can hit someone with that. As long as they don't have a firearm.

jkm7680 > djmanila 03/27/2014 at 16:36

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Pepper ball gun, Haha.

Paul, Man of Mustangs > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:36

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This is what I keep in the gunsafe next to my bed, and occasionally carry. Smith and Wesson M&P9. I'd like to keep my AR bedside as well, but at the same time, I don't like not having it locked up, especially with how deep I sleep.

jkm7680 > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 03/27/2014 at 16:37

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Haha, Simple. Yet extremely effective.

Crocket Bernet > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:37

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It helps that I live in the middle of nowhere but just in case.

jkm7680 > ddavidn 03/27/2014 at 16:38

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Haha, I've got a aluminum baseball bat and an old ass, heavy telescope.

jkm7680 > Nibbles 03/27/2014 at 16:38

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Haha, I've got a Rottweiler. He doesn't hurt anybody though.

Audi-os, amigos > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:39

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Lady friend just got herself one of these. Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .38 w/ laser sight.

jkm7680 > Paul, Man of Mustangs 03/27/2014 at 16:39

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Pretty looking gun that. I've been contemplating a Ruger revolver for quite some time.

jkm7680 > Audi-os, amigos 03/27/2014 at 16:40

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Nice, My lady friend just carries around pepper spray. Oh, and her fists of fury.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:40

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I keep a heavy broomstick under my bed, my brother keeps a bat under his, there's a custom made knife on top of my parents head board and 3 guns in their closet. And everyone knows how to use said guns. I think we're pretty safe in the event of a home invasion

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 03/27/2014 at 16:41

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Haha, you sound prepared. I've got a dog that doesn't do shit. A baseball bat, and a party dysfunctional gun that may blow up in my face.

Party-vi > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:42

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Absolutely nothing yet. I need to get my girlfriend down to the range to get her comfy with handguns, and then I'll probably pick up a .38 Special Police Positive.

wkiernan > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 03/27/2014 at 16:43

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One of these might be handy also.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:43

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Our dog would bark at anything suspicious so we had some warning. But he's been gone for almost 10 years now. Gotta fend for ourselves now. I forgot to mention the sword in the hall closet...

Frank Grimes > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:44

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spear guns. I have various lengths for navigating various widths of spaces.

Carnage717 > Paul, Man of Mustangs 03/27/2014 at 16:44

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I keep that same gun in my gun safe thats behind my head board, Well there's actually 2 in there the full size M&P9 and Compact M&P9. I also keep a Samurai Sword that my father-in-law picked up for me in Japan on the mantle of our fireplace in our bedroom.

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 03/27/2014 at 16:46

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Oh yeah, I've got some of these sitting around somewhere.

jkm7680 > Party-vi 03/27/2014 at 16:46

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Yeah, It's better to be comfortable if a situation arises.

Textured Soy Protein > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:46

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Renter's insurance. If someone wants to steal my shit they can go right ahead. I'll get it replaced. No sense trying to get into an armed conflict that might escalate and turn ugly.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:47

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Those things can inflict some damage, if you can use them right. I tried to use some one time and gave myself a pretty nasty bruise on my leg.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:48

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Well my dog has a nasty bark even though he is the sweetest dog in the world. Would probably just bring the robbers his ball to play with...which I am ok with. I don't want him being aggressive to people, just wake me up when shit happens.

So after the bark I have this for a little extra bite.

Nothin like some .45 ACP Hollow-points to make someone regret every moment of breaking into my home.

jkm7680 > Frank Grimes 03/27/2014 at 16:48

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Hahahaha

I have one of these also. Very effective on spiders!

DollaMoneyAve > Nibbles 03/27/2014 at 16:48

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Your dog can really bust open a Kong? That's fucking impresive

Party-vi > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:48

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That and she needs to realize by pointing a gun at someone you better be resolved to pull the trigger.

Anon > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:49

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I have a WW2 machete, and there's only one entrance to my room.

Saracen > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:49

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Various swords and 13 years of Western Martial Arts training.

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 03/27/2014 at 16:50

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Haha, I tried to use them on a punching bag. Harder to use than I though.

jkm7680 > Textured Soy Protein 03/27/2014 at 16:51

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Lucky! If somebody breaks into my house (While occupied by me) I have to go Gangster mode on them.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > Party-vi 03/27/2014 at 16:51

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Took my gf to the range a couple weeks ago. Was a bit traumatizing for her. I need to take her to some BLM land of National Forest next. She didn't like how shots were going off everywhere around her. I gotta admit I don't like it much either even though I have some decent experience around guns. Just a suggestion for ya.

jkm7680 > Enginerrrrrrrrr 03/27/2014 at 16:51

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Same, Haha. Rottweiler never barks though. If somebody broke in, the dog would take him as a new friend.

505Turbeaux > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:52

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Mossberg which I almost had to shoot someone with a few years back. I beat the cops to my house with my 504 Diesel wagon doing about 80 up a city road. Since then I have brought my 2 Sig 226's back into the mix

jariten1781 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:53

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Unlikely I'd be selected for a home invasion since I have a loud dog and conspicuous cameras.

I also have a Spyderco Police at arms reach from bed if someone came in attempting to do physical harm. If shit got real bad I have a S&W .357 and a Mossberg 500 but both are kept in another room unloaded.

jkm7680 > Party-vi 03/27/2014 at 16:53

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That's the other important part. After a while, if you don't shoot the guy, or restrain him somehow, he might charge at you, or try to disarm you and cut.

pb123456789 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:53

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12 gauge pump action shotgun or a 1911 in .45 acp

atrombs > ddavidn 03/27/2014 at 16:53

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I got the 5 D cell when I was around 15, and still have it laying around. I'm pretty sure there is no reasonable use for it other than bashing someone.

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:53

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Frank Grimes > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:54

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sweeeeet. thats like the one I keep under my race car bed.

jkm7680 > Frank Grimes 03/27/2014 at 16:55

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Haha, awesome.

I also like to keep my dual machetes in my chest of drawers. (True story)

Nibbles > DollaMoneyAve 03/27/2014 at 16:55

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Yeah we have to get her those black "power-chewer" models, and even then they only last a couple months before they start disintegrating. Dog's got chops

jkm7680 > wkiernan 03/27/2014 at 16:56

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I've got two of those, from Habour Freight.

Frank Grimes > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:56

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dual wielding machetes! who the freak can stop you? Also great band name.

pb123456789 > Frank Grimes 03/27/2014 at 16:57

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My dad always kept one at the end of the bed when i was a kid i always wondered WTF for

jkm7680 > Frank Grimes 03/27/2014 at 16:57

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I bring them to Craigslist encounters on the rough side of town also.

I Have the power.

puddler > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:57

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not gonna let the courts go soft on 'em.

ddavidn > atrombs 03/27/2014 at 16:57

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Nice! Have you ever had to change the batteries since then?..

puddler > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:58

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telescopes have much better uses.

pb123456789 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:58

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And you will get one shot off before you get a stovepipe holding it gangsta style.

Party-vi > Enginerrrrrrrrr 03/27/2014 at 16:58

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Same thing happened with a friend who is a girl. She was excited but asked me to go first so she could see what to do. I explained some range rules and then emptied a rented gun into a target. I turned around after reloading for her and her eyeballs were as big as saucer plates. She freaked, said it was too much hearing all the gunshots around her. We left after being there about 10 minutes haha.

Frank Grimes > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 16:59

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do you stop crime? I would stop crime with dual machetes. mostly corporate white collar crimes but I would only take one or two stacks of cash for my services, and only one smoking hot wife.

MonkeePuzzle > ddavidn 03/27/2014 at 17:00

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i bet she does *awkwardest wink*

Paul, Man of Mustangs > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:00

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One of the main reasons why I like my M&P so much is the ludicrous ammo capacity. 17 in the mag and one in the chamber, so I could potentially fend off 2-4 attackers. It's also dead reliable and easy to shoot. Hard to go wrong with a revolver in .357 Magnum, though.

Textured Soy Protein > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:00

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And you "have to" because why exactly?

I assume that someone breaking into a house is looking for a quick score of cash and items they can sell, and they're also not looking to also catch a murder charge.

Given this assumption, I'd rather make every effort to not resist, and comply with their demands. I can always call the cops and file an insurance claim after they leave.

offroadkarter > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:01

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In NJ we have nothing because Socialist Liberal State. You're only allowed to defend here if you can't escape.

In PA we have a .44 Mag revolver in a lock box in the garage.

jkm7680 > Frank Grimes 03/27/2014 at 17:02

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Haha, I stop everything with my newly founded powers.

Oh, and if you want a good deal on some Machetes. Go to Harbour freight!

SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:02

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This is my EDC, a Kahr CW9 and a Gerber Paraframe. The knife won't help me much, the pistol though I am fairly proficient with. It lives on the nightstand when it is not on my person.

I have other firearms too, but I'd prefer to not send a .30 caliber round, or a 12 Gauge slug through the neighboring apartments.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:02

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I'm from Canada all I have to do is politely show the intruder to the door.

ME: "it seems you must have accidentally entered the incorrect house."

Intruder: "I think you're right this does not look like billy's house at all"

ME: "No harm done let me show you to the nearest door"

Intruder: "Thank you have a great day"

ME: "Same to you"

Next thing you know we become best of friends.

MonkeePuzzle > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:03

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I have a colt replica air gun, takes precisely one age to load with .177 cliber pellets, and the 8 round "mag" jams all the time.

I also have a pellet rifle,but both of those are in a gun safe two floors from my bedroom. There are however multiple nerf guns stashed throughout the house, and my son has a pretty wicked Jake and the Neverland Pirates sword, telescope also, but I doubt I'd use the telescope on an intruder.

jkm7680 > Textured Soy Protein 03/27/2014 at 17:05

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If the person breaks in, with a gun. The first action would be to get that gun, and hide until the person comes into the same room as you.

Complying with their demands is even riskier, the first thought that would go though a criminals head would be money, and more money could mean Ransom, and that's under the realm of kidnapping.

I wouldn't shoot an unarmed man who broke into my house, but another armed man, would be claiming self defense.

N/A POWAAAHH > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:05

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Damn, all the muricans and their guns! A have a house alarm with motion sensors?

jkm7680 > N/A POWAAAHH 03/27/2014 at 17:06

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Nope, this is 'Murica.

jkm7680 > MonkeePuzzle 03/27/2014 at 17:06

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Haha, same. I have an old ass telescope that would work nicely.

Textured Soy Protein > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:06

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Don't you think trying to take away a gun from someone currently holding a gun is riskier than saying "here, my cash is in my nightstand"?

jkm7680 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 03/27/2014 at 17:08

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Haha, America now.

Home owner: What the fuck is that noise?

Intruder: (Opens door)

Home owner: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang

jkm7680 > Textured Soy Protein 03/27/2014 at 17:09

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It really depends on the circumstances in my opinion.

There is no telling what will cross the intruders mind.

$kaycog > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:13

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I did have a Lady Smith .38 revolver, but I never could get comfortable with it loaded. Today at lunch, the gal I sold it to said she is going to buy a flashlight/stun gun and would get me one also.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:15

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sounds about right!

ddavidn > MonkeePuzzle 03/27/2014 at 17:16

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*slowly backs away* Yeah man, totally...

Timmy - MINI With a Big Blower > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:17

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I do not own a gun, however I have a machete and various blunt objects all over the house. Only one way in, and only one way out. :]

jkm7680 > $kaycog 03/27/2014 at 17:18

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What if you Tazer somebody instead of shining a flashlight on them?

scubaduba > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:23

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I own a few guns if 15 is a few, but in my opinion the best choice is my Mossberg 930 Tactical shotgun. Short length, semi auto, easy to handle and you will not miss your target, the rounds aren't going to travel through the walls as easily as a 9mm or larger caliber round. I have a close friend who was in a shootout with 2 armed robbers in a hallway that was 15 feet long he got one guy in the gut and missed the other guy after going through 8 rounds. He was only grazed on his calf and forearm. They had .22 cal pistols he has a .40, his rounds ended up going through a wall and ending up in the garage wall which had shelving and materials to slow it down. I understand the whole knife is a safe option but NEVER bring a knife to a gun fight. Not saying they will all be gun fights but Id rather be the most prepared out of the people involved in a home invasion. My 2 pennies nothing more.

$kaycog > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:25

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I'll keep it by my bed, and if somebody breaks in, I hope to heck I tazer him instead of shining a light on him.

JR1 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:26

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Screw pistols this is my home defense of choice!

jkm7680 > scubaduba 03/27/2014 at 17:26

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Nice, It's better to be prepared for the worst than not be prepared at all.

That's a good story. Thanks for sharing it!

jkm7680 > $kaycog 03/27/2014 at 17:27

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Haha, but he might become momentarily blind if you shine the light in his eyes.

jkm7680 > JR1 03/27/2014 at 17:28

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I just casually keep one of these on my bedside table.

Nah, I'm fairly certain these are illegal.

JR1 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:29

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Only illegal if they capture you, if you have something heavy duty like that they will never capture you.

jkm7680 > JR1 03/27/2014 at 17:31

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I'm going to be a good boy, and not buy one. Haha.

scubaduba > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:34

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Exactly or you could go the route of placing poster of these guys all over your house, pretty sure you can get fatheads too.

jkm7680 > scubaduba 03/27/2014 at 17:36

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Haha, I'd love a Rambo fathead.

louis cypher > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:37

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Glock 27 (.40 cal),an old H&R 12 gauge (single shot,pistol gripped), S&W AR-15 ,samurai sword,some crazy Mexican,cutlass-looking sword,and the squeakiest floorboards known to man.I think I'll be okay.

$kaycog > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:37

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I know..........I'll do both.

jkm7680 > louis cypher 03/27/2014 at 17:40

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If anybody even attempts to break in. I will be ready.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > Party-vi 03/27/2014 at 17:40

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Yeah, my gf actually started sobbing after she shot her first one...after I unloaded a few to show her what to do. I quickly ran over and took the gun out of her hand...

She composed herself, took 4 more shots later. Then let me finish the ammo we had.

Luckily she has said that she would go shooting again, but in the woods haha.

Textured Soy Protein > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:43

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Exactly. This hypothetical intruder could have any number of hypothetical responses to trying to take their gun. Many of those responses will not end well for the person trying to take the gun.

Here's a thought experiment for you.

Situation 1:

Hypothetical armed intruder breaks into house. Homeowner tries to either take intruder's gun, or use their own weapon to fend off the intruder. This ends in either A) intruder shoots homeowner, takes all of homeowners stuff, homeowner is now dead or in need of serious medical attention; or B) homeowner successfully disarms intruder, manages to gain the upper hand and shoot the intruder, then calls the cops while intruder bleeds all over their nice freshly installed Bella wood flooring (thanks Bob Vila!), homeowner then has to deal with all the ordeal of proving they shot the intruder in self defense. Although if this is in Florida or another "stand your ground" state then the homeowner probably will get off no problem as long as they're not a minority. Because stand your ground states generally are also states with deep-seated institutional racism.

Situation 2:

Hypothetical armed intruder breaks into house. Homeowner complies with intruders demands. This ends in either: A) intruder takes homeowner's stuff and leaves, homeowner calls their insurance company and gets their stuff replaced; or B) intruder takes homeowner's stuff and escalates to doing something worse to the homeowner like kidnapping or shooting them.

Personally, I like the odds in Situation 2 a lot better. Because in this situation, if the intruder gets what they came for, it stands to reason they will be more likely to take their winnings and get the hell out of there, than to escalate the situation to a worse crime where they could get in worse trouble.

But anyway, I've learned long ago that not everyone shares my personal anti-gun beliefs, and while that disappoints me, I've also learned that anything more than sharing my reasoning is just going to get everyone involved more irked than necessary. ;)

briannutter1 > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 17:43

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Springfield xdm 40

1337HPMustang > JR1 03/27/2014 at 17:47

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Is this you mate? I've also got an 870 although being canadian I kinda don't have a choice :(

If I lived in the great U.S. of A, I'd have a handgun for sure. You should count yourself lucky to be able to carry.

JR1 > 1337HPMustang 03/27/2014 at 17:50

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I have two under my bed! Rifle as well but that doesn't really count for home defense. And you can't have handguns in Canada? I feel for you buddy I really do.

jkm7680 > Textured Soy Protein 03/27/2014 at 17:52

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That was helpful, I appreciate it.

In my area, the home invasions have been armed men breaking into houses that contain those who are unarmed. I've heard multiple stories, and heard firsthand about home invasions where the armed robber shoots the home owner, just out of spite. A person in my neighborhood was shot and killed almost as soon as I moved in, and it was the result of a botched home invasion. The neighbor was unarmed, the criminal was not.

There is a slightly higher chance of a deadly gun battle when both parties have guns, which is an obvious fact.

I'm not anti-gun, I have a hunting rifle, a couple antique revolvers that don't function and the pictured gun. Which is dangerous to use, so I don't use it.

I wouldn't shoot an unarmed man, and the point of having that gun would be to intimidate the would be criminal until the Police arrive.

CPT Speedbump > jkm7680 03/27/2014 at 18:06

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Lets list... Ruger SR9 in the headboard of my bed, IWI Tavor at the foot of my bed, mags all stacked for both in the head of the bed as well as a few pocket knifes, a WW2 machete and a legit Italian stiletto (switchblade, from Italy) in a drawer on the side of my bed, a sword collection with..swords and knifes, throwing knifes, etc in the office, A AR-15, Remington 700 (.308), 12 gauge all in my parents room, A Taurus Judge in the garage, and their is a Springfield Armory .40 that moves around the house usually. oohohoh, and some brass knuckles on top of my beds headboard too, and also 5 dogs...one of witch being known to be a bread used in Military, and as guard dogs..and known to attack people (Chow Chow) and one looking really mean (American bull dog), and a Surefire flashlight in my back pack..

CPT Speedbump > CPT Speedbump 03/27/2014 at 18:07

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CPT Speedbump > CPT Speedbump 03/27/2014 at 18:08

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and also 5 dogs...one of witch being known to be a bread used in Military, and as guard dogs..and known to attack people (Chow Chow) and one looking really mean (American bull dog)

CPT Speedbump > CPT Speedbump 03/27/2014 at 18:09

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and a Surefire flashlight in my work bag....I.. think that's all...